The actual apps don’t typically much matter, but rather the use cases are different. Versatility: actually wheel-on trainers are generally speaking more versatile as they are smaller and lighter and there is no wheel assemply required. I don’t even mean in ERG mode either. Was expecting around 5Watts difference max, as Direto should be really accuratte. Even if you don't have a 4K TV, the 4K version has more powerful graphics than the base, worth the extra $30. He didn’t say he’s going faster in Zwift. I’m just a bit worried that the H3 and it feeling not much better than the Tuo after splashing out twice as much money. Rulli bici ELITE Direto XR 2021 con cassa pignoni e supporto ruota Rullo interattivo con Zwift incluso. In genearl, you can get away with it for pure ERG mode, because there are gears that’ll be just fine. Analizza anche le recensioni per verificare l'affidabilità. For $8, this solves that problem. Canyon Bike Setup #3: Favero Assioma Dual-sided pedals, Quarq DZero crankset. 11spd chain will work fine with 10spd derailleur and chainrings. With firmware version 067 this was not an issue. The next bit is stability. Yup, 1″ [25mm] is about 1.5* up and 2″ [50mm] is about 3.0* up. In the case of simulation (aka slope) mode, the Direto XR can simulate from 0% to 24% incline – way above the original Direto X at 18%, and well beyond anyone else at this price range. Once it happened during cadence drills and I was doing 130rpm at 100W – very difficult to do, my body is bouncing off the saddle. That gets you an ad-free DCR, access to the DCR Quarantine Corner video series packed with behind the scenes tidbits...and it also makes you awesome. In that case, those were pretty darn smooth. But the point is, on a trainer you’re not doing a 1000 ft climb, you’re doing a zero foot climb. The second mode the trainer has is ERG mode. It changes resistance uphill/downhill in Zwift so that works. Elite is often answering that it is due to the ‘high precision’ of the trainer but looking at your graph Ray i think it is an anomaly. Peter. Whereas in the case of TrainerRoad I used it in a structured workout mode (ERG mode). I’m in the same boat about the same two trainers. The Elite Direto XR continues the lineage of the Direto trainer brand, but significantly ramps up the capabilities of the trainer. Working on a fix! Basically most apps will baseline when the app first connects to the trainer, which pretty much resets the resistance to the trainer. This desk is both a knock-off of the original KICKR Desk, but yet also better than it. As usual, I put the trainer up against a number of power meters to see how well it handled everything from resistance control accuracy, to speed of change, to any other weird quirks along the way. Hmm, it’s louder for certain, but ERG mode is so darn good. The ERG mode is definitely noticeable, but the sound isn’t dramatic. Out of nowhere, the trainer decides to kill my legs, ramping up the resistance to MAX. Like I always say – for me personally, it’s hard to separate the fact that I’m riding indoors from outdoors. It should work without max power smoothing. I bought the Direto XR over the Kickr Core as the core was not available and the Direto XR is the newer product. On the underside of the legs are two feet, in case your floor is wobbly. The Tuo still (a year later), isn’t shipping yet. But again, only time will tell. Thanks. Instead, Elite cuts the price and adds a cassette – making it far more accessible with very few trade-offs. Il venditore è stato serio e puntuale. This means it can match up to an external power meter to provide more finite control of the trainer. ELITE Direto XR Smart Indoor Cycling Bike Turbo Trainer 2yr Warranty Triathlon. From the picture there, I can’t get how long does it takes to ramp up the power and how big the overshoot is. No problem! DC Rainmaker 2019 swim, bike, run, and general gear list. I tried both options with the spacers provided by Elite but it did not help. Calibration procedure of the internal power sensor on Drivo-Drivo2-Direto-Direto X-Direto XR-Kura ( Android-iOS ) February 03, 2021 07:28; Updated; Follow. Elite has taken the Suito ‘pull it out of the box and done’ concept from last year, and applied it to the XR. No app. That said, the one thing that max gradient tends to underpin though is lower/slower speed ascents of heavier riders with steeper gradients. I had a Snap for several years (since they came out). If trainers or apps don’t support these standards, then it makes it far more difficult for you as the end user. This impacts inertia and how it feels – primarily when you accelerate or otherwise change acceleration (such as briefly coasting). It doesn’t cost you anything extra, but your purchases help support this website a lot. Hi Konstantinos, Swapping a cassette is extremely easy. That made it nice and stable: And as for the power cord, it’s got a small trip prevention sorta thing there you’ll twist it through. I've got three of these $12 fans floating around the DCR Cave, and I frequently use them on rides. In my case I used one primary bike set up in the following configuration: Canyon Bike Setup #1: PowerTap P2 Dual-sided pedals, Quarq DZero crankset Quick question regarding any trainer althought I will probably end up buying a Direto XR. For the most part you don’t clear 20% until you get above $1,000. I wouldn’t worry about the noise. Is it a fitness level difference? Most notable of those options is what Elite calls Power Meter Link (PML). I recently bought the Direto XR as my first smart trainer. Still, it’s pretty darn quiet. I normally run 100% but, in a fit of insanity, Sunday I rode Alpe Du Zwift. Earning it the top spot is its increased power capacity (up to 2300 watts), increased flywheel weight (up .7 pounds to 9.9 pounds) and 24-percent grade simulation. The trainer hardware is more than capable of doing it better, when doing the crit zone in Zwift, on the rollers, the trainer instantly changes the resistance to match the terrain. It’s bad for consumers but a valid business strategy. Though, the box is bigger (because, the Direto XR is bigger). Simply crack it open and let it search for nearby trainers: At present there aren’t any firmware updates for the Direto XR, and historically speaking we don’t see Elite do too many firmware updates. Just enthusiasm? once you get up to that speed, Zwift will advice to stop pedaling. The link to the trainer desk review looks bad. Thanks! If however, it can live up to the road-feel that I saw last year at Eurobike, as well as the accuracy claims they have, it’ll be a solid budget option for those that don’t want to deal with taking off their rear wheel. Your reviews and comments about products most valuable!!! Any help would be welcome; I’ve been struggling for a few days now and am on the verge of returning the bike. But is there a way to pair my Garmin hrm-tri to the Direto XR and then pass the heart rate to Zwift by using the Direto XR as an Ant+ to Bluetooth conversion? This allows you to compare it against other trainers I’ve reviewed. I was so glad I finaly would be able to train indoors. Wahoo Kickr Core or XR? I pedaled faster and the calibration through zwift worked. ELITE DIRETO XR Apenas uma unidade disponível Reserva já para ti... 256197790 geral@pedalsempre.pt . That wind resistance causes a rearward push against our torso in particular, and I suspect leads to a related weight distribution shift. Meaning – how does it compare to other power meters? If I’m going to spend that kind of money I’d rather do it on a quieter trainer that has bang-on snap-to ERG mode changes. Additionally, you should calibrate if you’ve had a major temp swing (such as if it lives in your garage and now the sweat puddle on the floor is frozen). The challenge is that the shifting isn’t indexed for that, so basically you’ll get skipping here and there between certain gears. I don’ know why some in the Zwift community keep trying to push back on this concept. What about when used with other brand trainers? What am I gaining by getting the Direto XR over Suito in terms of functionality (beyond dry stats which are available everywhere). I’m on the verge of selling the Direto for a H3 because ERG mode is so… marginal. Greetings from Austria. Elite Direto XR er videreudviklingen af Direto hometraineren og kan nu simulere stigninger på helt op til 24%, mens wattmåleren nu også er blevet endnu mere præcis +/- 1,5%. It’s a linguistics thing actually. Do you think we’ll ever actually see the Tuo? It is 15watts difference, if I go higer like 350w, then direto shows 330watss. Luckily it doesn’t seem to detract from a successful design, but I’d usually be worried about a design that focuses on flashy marketing points and potential ignores the basics. But an addendum: Modifying the algorithm for a slightly lighter flywheel shouldn’t be too much effort (though likely more than just a multiplication factor). Worth a consideration, and the hack trick to try is some extra thick foam padding (excercise mats, firm foam sponges, etc) under the support feet of the trainer, to allow some leaning motion. So I was a little bit shot. – If it wasn’t, then racers wouldn’t be using it to be faster in race You’ll want to pair it up as a controllable trainer (which will also pair it as a power meter) – as seen above. I’m headed to Paris – what do you recommend for training or sightseeing? I just got this trainer and so far, it’s not a good experience. L’altra … I then change into level mode to be able to start moving the pedals and change back into ERG mode when I’m around the desired wattage.From there everything works as it should. And that’s 100% correct. Here’s the levels being sent (the blue blocks)) by TrainerRoad (in this case via Bluetooth Smart on iPad) and how quickly the Direto XR responded to it: In general, when it comes to ERG mode ‘accuracy’, I’m actually looking at three specific things: A) Base power accuracy: Is the power measurement aspect correct? BTW: Similar issues I also experience during cadence drills with sharp increases/decreases of cadence. I've been using it, and a similiar European version lately with great success (exact EU variant I use is automatically linked at left). and maybe even the original / first direto? Which one would you pick? I recently updated the Direto XR firmware from version 067 to version 073. Bluetooth Smart Speed/Cadence Profile: This broadcasts your speed and cadence as a standard BLE combo Speed/Cadence sensor Just throw it at the ground and plug it in: Done. One core test I do with all trainers though is responsiveness: How quickly does it respond to ERG mode changes? I’d rather the darn trainer be accurate to begin with. Final price difference is around $100 (Core is cheaper). Okay. they recommend you calibrate only using their App as the setting is saved in the trainer itself. Even the Direto I is very quiet on the climbs. Watts are watts. Try pedal faster, then it might work. Everytime I start a workout in ERG mode, it’s almost impossible to get the cranks moving. I redid the test not using Zwift but using my Garmin Edge 530. If this is the case then the fault is with the app developers. Maybe the video difference is just due to different recording setup or levels? You’ll see either a calibration prompt in the app (like TrainerRoad), or a small wrench or such in the settings (like Zwift). Jut to be sure that i’ve not got it wrong: is the Drivo lineup dead? Hi Ray, thanks for the great review as usual! The higher the speed, the harder it is for trainers to control in ERG mode. my weekly podcast - with GPLAMA, which is packed with both gadget and non-gadget goodness! If you’re trying to decide which unit to buy – check out my in-depth reviews section. Links from the accessoires list link need to be fixed, they link the review itself, not the item on Amazon. But that would just push me to getting the H3. After 20+ rides, I am completely satisfied with the Suito. By going near 50 km/h, the spin down actually works…. Haven’t used the Direto yet, but I’d strongly advise against getting the Drivo II; there’s no support for it, there’s never been a firmware update, and there were major issues with the ERG mode. The ERG mode accuracy is crispier than in the past, which Elite says comes from improved algorithms around the newer flywheel size. great for triathletes on a budget. And hopefully, since the Direto XR is a tidier Direto X, that we won’t see any manufacturing issues. Level axles on that setup may result in overloading on the hands and arms. This means you can pair the trainer and get power/cadence/control, while also pairing up a heart rate strap. Also, the resistance get very high untill it is to hard to peddle. Setting it to 10, which I belive is max is not an option. Great answer Yeah, I’d have to see some actual data, and more importantly, understand what they’re doing. If price is an issue but not totally unaffordable, where do you draw the line between a wheel on and direct mount trainer? It sounds like the XR is “good” but that the H3 is still better. Ended: 02 Jan, 2021, 15:04:39 GMT. Elite Direto XR e Movistar E-Team pronti alle sfide della Zwift… Shimano e team DSM insieme anche nell’anno del centenario 100 anni di Shimano: il mozzo con cambio integrato 3.3.3. But I decided to hold whatever the trainer threw at me – after 5sec, 1135W was the maximum I could do before my legs died. No you are not. In ERG mode I see you always recommend using the smaller ring in front. You can create a simple workout in Training Peaks and sync it to your garmin or wahoo head unit, and run it from there. That’s just the one I use, and I use it only because 13 or so years ago when I got into cycling, that’s what someone first recommended. Not sure which is better value now. And each one has a different cleat type on them (SPD-MTB/Look-Keo/SPD-SL). Denne hometrainer kan bruges med både quick release og thru axle med bredder fra 130 mm. But wait, are you a female and feel like these things might not apply to you? Can I put the bike on the direto and start cykling, will it work just as good? What should one do when one fails an interval and needs to restart the trainer after a spiral of death? This time the unit was able to do the levels below 50w. Iscriviti ad Amazon Prime: consegne senza costi aggiuntivi in 1 giorno su 2 milioni di prodotti e in 2-3 giorni su molti altri milioni, film e serie TV su Prime Video, incluse le serie Amazon Original, più di 2 milioni di brani e centinaia di playlist senza pubblicità con Prime Music, centinaia di eBook Kindle su Prime Reading, accesso anticipato alle Offerte Lampo di Amazon.it e spazio di archiviazione per le foto illimitato. Has their been any update from Elite about the status of their testing to see if it’s possible to update the Direto X (and Direto I hope) firmware with the new algorithm? In fact, Elite’s really been one of the leaders for years in supporting the various standards – including FTMS. Alright. Note: Branding varies by country, exact same desk. For example, it’ll now replicate grades of 24%. Between all these standards you can basically connect to anything and everything you’d ever want to. It is ‘normal’, same with Trainer Road. Just asking: Is there anyone else here having updated to 073 to share some experience, whether he does or does not experience similar or same issues? Check out I am trying Direto XR with several third party apps (o.s. One second it’s at 40W then it’s at 400W. In any case, that’s not a hugely long list of new things, but some of the items in it are big ticket ones – notably the inclusion of a cassette, but also the increased grade simulation. 1) what about the cadence sensor? And it feels good, but I’m not sure it’s appreciably different enough that most people be able to notice unless the two were side by side. I have a Kickr core on pre order but the delivery date seems changing. The good, the bad, and the ugly. This is the one area I’d prefer Elite adopt what Wahoo has done with a small flexible ‘tail’ plug, that will easily detach if tripped over. Shame on me for not figuring it out on my own. You can set it as you like. It’s how I do all my power meter accuracy data capture, including for this very review. For example, on responsiveness, it was taking about 3-4 seconds to go from 150w to 450w, pretty consistently. Am I missing something ? I think that the Core might be set in “Erg mode power smoothing”, which should be set by default. My Photography Gear: The Cameras and Equipment I Use Daily, DC Rainmaker 2019 swim, bike, run, and general gear list, Copyright DC Rainmaker - Updated February 5th, 2021 @ 4:49 am, Wired or Wireless data transmission/control, Can electronically control resistance (i.e. It doesn’t mean that your data will be ‘made up’ because the Suito can still calculate power with a 2,5% accuracy (which is definitely good). They’re updating their specs now to conform to how it’s usually spec’d. Bill… which one did you buy? Garmin does it as well. Well, essentially that’s simplified now to three products: The Elite Tuo, Elite Suito, and Elite Direto XR. You can try playing around with that. Click above for all the details. But be mindful of the scale of this particular graph here. However, I typically don’t worry too much about the rear cassette. And in this interval there were short 400w intervals built into each set, and those handled quite nicely actually for all of them. In the case of the above workout, it was after doing 90 mins of relatively hard riding. Direto XR is overall really excellent unit, ride feel is great, it is super for racing even on hardest climbs in sim mode, nice design, etc. A 10% grade feels like a 5% grade. Good luck anyway. Tks, That’s handy if you’re connecting to Zwift on an Apple TV, due to Apple TV’s two concurrent Bluetooth Smart sensor limitation (plus the Apple TV remote). Hi, Simulation (SIM) Mode: Simulating a specific outdoor grade – i.e., 14% incline. This is effectively a “flat” road condition being level. Did you notice any change in the belt/pulley design? All it does is effectively change the gears you have available. This isn’t right. My brain can only turn off so much of that. I found that I needed to extend them slightly, just so the trainer actually rests on them, versus the larger legs. Aaaand… maybe I should have read more of the comments first. Finally, Elite does have their own app that you can use for a handful of functions, but frankly I had no use for it here at any point in the testing cycle. I calibrate everything, set offset. For example, here it is doing the spin-down within TrainerRoad on an iPad: It’s super easy to do, you just pedal a bit fast for a moment until it reaches a given threshold speed, and then you stop pedaling. A 1000 foot climb is still a 1000 foot climb. Elite has evolved its Direto line of interactive trainers and has upgraded the Direto to the top spot in the Italian company’s catalog, replacing the Drivo line. There’s a million types/brands/etc. For most of the users, Direto works fine with ERG mode, but we’d like to go deeper on that. I bought it and the Smart Steering device. Is it possible that the new improved ERG algorithms will be applied to the old Drieto X? Oh, and free US shipping too! Hi Alan, Elite has 4 interactive home trainers and 2 interactive rollers. Of course, if you go to 0%, then you potentially swing too far the other way. Zwift does artificial speed calculations. This allows you to do firmware updates of the trainer. Being connected on the far-end of all the spinning stuff, how can it possibly know the actual pedalling frequency without knowing which gears you are using? A bit OT but you show using the Elite Sterzo for the riser block and mention that you always use a riser. It appears they prefer to have new features exclusively on newer devices even if they could be implemented for the old ones. Sure, it’s not quite in the same grade as a full blown Wahoo KICKR or Saris H3, but it’s not priced there either. Good call! It works for many, but I and others find that the level setup leads to more pressure on the hands and arms. So…the card is basically just telling you to put oil on the cassette (via your chain). The main one is that the shifting is messed up. As I wrote in my previous comment, it is better to test these outside of Trainer Road. Which woukd you recommend. I have the same problem, dont know why. I like the metal dropout spacers….the spacers for the H3 are plastic and feel like one might crush them with even a little torque to tighten. I’ll ask, but I suspect not. To be eligible for the main prize of ELITE DIRETO XR, the rider should have at least finished any of the 3 races in the series. Made a couple of WO on Zwift experiencing delays with ERG mode (wrong “power smoothing”?). So by going into the small ring, you reduce the speed, which in turn makes it easier to control. It is something that you can also do on the Direto XR. Ride experience: Direct-drive trainers offer a better all-around indoor experience compared to wheel-on models. My colleagues will reach out asap to fix it out. Then it converts the power to the speed considering the incline and your weight using a unique formula for all the trainers/users. They’re more and more rare now, but they do happen (across all trainers). Which is too bad b/c I do actually like my Direto apart from the ERG mode issue. As a start, I tried the FTP test from the triathloncrewcologne. Try restart both your Elite Direto XR and the device you are trying to pair it to. CURRENTLY SOLD OUT #10 Best-selling product in Bicycle Turbo Trainers link to forum.elite-it.com – Custom enginering of owners. Just to be clear — If you click on the description link it cycles back to the article. The Elite Direto XR continues the lineage of the Direto trainer brand, but significantly ramps up the capabilities of the trainer. and a single workout can often let a person know if it works for them or not. So yes, to you have to include the “10s” spacer with the 11-34 11s road cassette. – Now includes 1-month Zwift coupon. Just curious, but can’t get my head around why this may be. Brilliant, thanks for the prompt response. Easy to set up and connect, great design and a smooth riding experience. In Settings, you will find “Power smoothing”. Hi But the Direto XR has tried to bridge the gaps existing between it and the top-caliber trainers. I suppose you did not open the unit up to compare but just in case… Any chance this XR may be less prone to belt breakage problems? As far as calibration goes, you can complete it easily from most apps – including TrainerRoad and Zwift. I’ve calibrated it multiple times and it just won’t keep consistent power. Enjoy, and thanks for stopping by! (For US & European users). What about within the Elite product lineup? I have Quarq DZero PM on my bike and readings are identical, both in values and in shape in time. And about starting the workout, I start pedaling before I start the workout. But it’s below that of most people’s fans, unless you have some quiet fan or something. There’s two ways to look at this. Post by genovesi.andrea » Tue Nov 03, ... anche se Elite dice che è tutto normale e che tali oscillazioni sono dovute all'"estrema precisione" del Rullo... Il fw nuovo, 073, sembra mitigare un po', ma non pare risolutivo, almeno dai test fatti da me e da altri utenti del forum. I like my front wheel to stay put and not aimlessly wiggle around. Thanks Salvatore for the heads-up. Since then, those issues have been resolved. Said differently: Peak numbers in this competition don’t matter. See — link to zwiftinsider.com. RESERVER LA VOTRE D'AVANCE! In addition to the included 11-speed cassette and ramped up internals, the unit also  increases the flywheel weight as well – from 4.2kg to 5.1kg. Leveled on the trainer was nose down on the road. I have found a trick to resolve it, when you start to configure the trainer do it pedaling and also keep pedaling also when your are searching the route and start it. Many readers stumble into my website in search of information on the latest and greatest sports tech products. Anyway, I managed to mostly fix it, so it’s mostly good for now. In Zwift you get variability by having the road incline change and by being able to instantly sprint. But they said it’s on their list. I suspect the change from Level to ERG mode is what’s causing the issue. Problem occurs with zwift workouts and drops and ups with wattage. It’s a nice break from the day to day sports-tech talk, and I hope you get something out of it! For that here’s a comparison with a Quarq DZero power meter (data set here): As you can see, they’re super close – basically identical. And I do not mean here the size to be specified on garmin devices (which I think has to be the nominal value / 12.1 for Direto XR). link to elitesrl.zendesk.com. Seriously, you don’t. In many European countries when they say ‘Race’ they mean ‘Road Bikes’ (because, logically, most other bikes go on the road like commuter bikes). And looking forward to read how the Tuo actually compares to a toaster . “…Axle Compatibility: Race 130x5mm…” shouldn’t you mean “Road 130x5mm”? . Is it possible to put a 148mm boost frame on this trainer? Big news for the Movistar Team in 2021: it's the Movistar Team Challenge, a series of tests and competitions conducted in cooperation with Zwift and the Global Cycling Network that will lead to the creation of the Movistar E-Team, 10 athletes from all over the world that will compete on Zwift under the Movistar banner. You can click here to Subscribe without commenting. I arrived very well to put the bike on the trainer but impossible to connect the trainer via bluetooth or ANT+ (i bought the ant+ dongle) to any of my devices (iphone8/Ipadpro/surfacepro) So sad and almost desperate can anybody help me? My high front axle trick can lead to a similar shift, and works to relieve pressure on many rides I have shared this trick. ELITE. Looks like a new bug from a change made last week (it shouldn’t show a hyperlink unless there’s an actual review for said accessory). C) Power Stability: How stable is it in holding a given ERG mode setting? Very small amounts, largely within the accuracy claims of the various units. But most of this all boils down to two core methods: ERG Mode: Setting a specific power level – i.e., 220w. Yes, the resistance did increase, but your speed did not. LES STOCKS SONT LIMITÉES POUR LA SAISON! You probably stumbled upon here looking for a review of a sports gadget. Ok, with all the basics out of the way, let’s talk app compatibility. I dig into the nuances of these both within the power accuracy section. Condition: New. But using the 3-rd and 4-th smallest rings on the cassette aren ot an option. So what about actual power accuracy then? But don’t hesitate to make it even better , Ray, Seems wrong. And when the cadence goes close to 0, the resistance goes up to infinity (or at least to the trainer’s maximum). My LBS now has the Elite Direto XR in stock. Then I have a couple of questions: The only problem? – Direto XR, 90 kg rider, ride in B-groups during local bunch rides, likes statistics, wants to improve , HI, I just purchased the Direto XR. Unlimited ANT+ connections, but only a single Bluetooth Smart connection. There’s also the axle adapters for thru-axle and standard quick release, plus two spacers in the event you need to swap out the cassette. Ray, is the difference to Gen1 Direto noticeable enough to justify an upgrade? I’ve added the Elite Direto XR into the product comparison database. And lastly, if you felt this review was useful – I always appreciate feedback in the comments below. Bought these ones last summer: link to awin1.com. I’d expect around 6-10w though on 250w. Hi, got the same problem on Zwift for the calibration of the trainer. It is clear though that there’s improvements around the firmware, beyond just hardware. They all should use the same Bluetooth protocol to transmit commands to the unit. I've been using it as my main trainer desk for a long time now and love it. Direto xr:762 € on bike-discount.de, should i get it ? A 10% grade “feels” like 5% because it slows one down via lower wattage for a given gear. I see slow ERG response as the only downside of my trainer. Peter. Here's the thing, some people like front wheel blocks, some don't. You will get a better picture of the actual trainer responsiveness and initial stability (over/undershoot of the target). If that’s the case (but certainly not saying my choices aren’t good for women), and you just want to see a different gear junkies “picks”, check out The Girl’s 2018 Gear Guide too.
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